This discussion of World Englishes includes the view of four participants on the two-way classification of the varieties involved. S. and D. point out that the collection of varieties grouped under new/non-native doesn't have any structural properties that distinguish it from the collection under 'old/native', and that each variety should be seen as a totality and not as a set of differences. M. equals 'new' and 'non-native varieties', stating that we should either abolish standards, either accept exo-normative standards. And P. discusses the implications of failed replication and differential values in a shared system, accounting for centrifugal and centripetal tendencies.